David Barr (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Florida Realty)

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Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

Each one of us should petition to our board not to sell to these sites.

Realtor.com has stopping selling listings to Z and Trla this year, they just turn around subscribe direct. These sites direct about 40% of total traffic.

The same should be out lawed in each State is credit back. In our area there are many agents live on  0.5-1% commission by given back rest to customers. You make it illegal these discounted agent will go out of business because they do not have any added value.

Dec 19, 2015 11:40 PM
John McCormack, CRS
Albuquerque Homes Realty - Albuquerque, NM
Honesty, Integrity, Results, Experienced. HIRE Me!

I have no use and do not participate with anything Z.  I may be cutting my nose off to spite my face but it's my way of rebelling.

Dec 19, 2015 10:51 PM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I am so happy you wrte what i was thinking. Only if every other agent thought the same way. It is a crime what they do to us hard working listing agents

Dec 20, 2015 12:35 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

Yes, I do realize that. By the same token, each year I earn about $25,000 in commissions from my Market Leader account, while my expense is less than $2,500. And I don't include in this figure income from referrals and repeat business I get that came through this source.

Dec 19, 2015 10:39 PM
Sybil Campbell
Fernandina Beach, FL
Referral Agent Amelia Island Florida

David Barr, I agree with you, it is too bad that so many people don't get it and allow the companies to take advantage of our hard work.

Dec 19, 2015 11:30 PM
William Feela
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I ahve been saying this for years.  Use just the MLS, people will know where to go and we will have to do less work

Dec 19, 2015 11:14 PM
Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

There are those who have drank the Kool-Aid.

What I LIKE about this development of darkside dominance and the contribution of so much money by so many REALTORS is their actions is creating viable space for the agent and broker who  chooses not be join the board,

The 'light bulb' moment may indeed to the illumination of opportunity.

I have yet to meet a buyer who does not troll the dark side.


Dec 19, 2015 10:57 PM
Norm Padula, JD, GRI
Florida Realty Investments - Sarasota, FL
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

Wholeheartedly agree with you and we do not advertise with any of these companies.

Dec 20, 2015 12:27 AM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Luckily, have had no need to pay for leads. 

Dec 19, 2015 11:59 PM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Zillow is also telling you to give them your sold data because it makes you more important and more likely to get leads. Leads you need to be a Premier Agent to get. 

Dec 19, 2015 11:46 PM
Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY
Licensed Real Estate Salesperson Greater Rochester

Someday more will realize the return on investment is not a good return.

The bill of goods is their ranking only!

Dec 19, 2015 10:48 PM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

I was taught long ago not to pay for ammunition that would be fired on you !

Dec 20, 2015 04:49 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

This is a very good reminder of the reality of the competition faced by real estate agents.

Dec 20, 2015 12:59 AM
Toronto, ON

I don't pay for leads.  In any event, none of the companies you mention want us Canadians as customers since they don't serve the Canadian market.

Dec 20, 2015 12:57 AM
Nibal Elsaadi
SI Real Estate Tampa - Tampa, FL

Thank you, David.   This is indeed a light bulb moment and worth review and research.  Best regards, - Nibal 

Dec 19, 2015 11:52 PM
Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

Well said.  I give you a big amen.

Dec 20, 2015 11:32 PM
Stefan Winter
Real Estate in IL & NV | Owner of Real Estate Web Tech | Daily Vlogger - Las Vegas, NV
Owner - Winter Group & Real Estate Web Tech

I've been trying to tell people this for years, good luck conving most people sadly. It can all be done ourself at a fraction of the cost per lead if people just put the time in upfront.

Dec 20, 2015 10:05 AM
David Gibson CNE, 719-304-4684 ~ Colorado Springs Relocation
Colorado Real Estate Advisers LLC - Colorado Springs, CO
Relocation, Luxury & Lifestyle residential

Local associations and brokers should hammer this home every day.

Dec 20, 2015 06:45 AM
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

This light bulb went on a long time ago for me.

Dec 20, 2015 06:11 AM
Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

That's  why I will never pay to advertise on their sites.  I do it for free on Z and Realtor.  No luck getting in to claim my listings on redfin though.  :( 


In my experience, even without Z, R and RF you'd still have to compete with the big brokerages for the top 10 spaces.  Not very likely to happen.


I don't particularly care for Z, R or RF and I won't pay to advertise on any site, but the vast majority of people who come to my open houses come from these sites.  I average over 1,000 views per week of my listings on these sites, so there is good exposure.  As long as I can continue to get it for free, I'm good with it.  I don't get calls or emails from these sites, but my contact info is on every photo and at the top and bottom of the listing descriptions.  I certainly make it easy for people to contact me.

Dec 20, 2015 02:09 AM
Spirit Messingham
Tierra Antigua Realty - Tucson, AZ
Third Generation Full-Time Realtor® 520 471-6900

True.  But you realize that these company's will be here either way?  At this point, Zillow.com is not going away.  I figured out what you are saying the first time I bought Zillow.com stock.  The agents, (US) are paying for the site, they is how they make their money nationally but advertising spots.  IF every agent stopped buying their ads, where would they be?  I got you.  However, the days of the agents "owning" the inventory are over regardless.  

Dec 19, 2015 11:42 PM
Marco Giancola
Beachfront Realty - Miami Beach, FL
Realtor (305)608-1922, Miami Beach Florida

It makes sense if you are a big lister.

Dec 19, 2015 11:04 PM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

"Does funding or participating with these companies now make sense to you?"


Dec 19, 2015 10:53 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

David Barr Maybe we'll get the hint when they take over the industry.

Dec 19, 2015 10:42 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

I do not pay to advertise on these sites. they get syndicated and my name appears as listing agent.

Dec 19, 2015 10:19 PM
Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

David - I have realized this for a long time, but consumers love Zillow, and I really don't think Zillow is going anywhere. They will find a way to share listings on their site (even though they are not accurate) one way or another.

I don't pay to advertise on them, and certainly don't agree with what they are doing, but this is the world we live in.

Dec 22, 2015 07:34 AM
Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
Owner of Ward Co Notary Services retired RE Broker

Nope, never has David Barr 

Dec 21, 2015 09:59 AM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

 Good morning David. I know. Tell that to the general public who wants to have their home put on Zillo and Tulia.

Dec 20, 2015 06:13 PM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

      You see it, David!

     Zillow will soon transfer their online dominance to brick-and-mortar offices in major metropolitan areas.  They will endow selected Brokers and Agents with the title of "Zillow Agents".   Zillow will totally dominate those markets based upon Brand / Name Recognition.

      Maybe we cannot stop this juggernaut... but why help finance it?

Dec 20, 2015 12:00 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

I do not pay for Zillow or other like platforms.

Dec 20, 2015 11:27 AM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

It never has David, and I never have paid them anything.

Dec 20, 2015 08:43 AM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Yet, they still do it, because it's easier to throw good money at quick (mostly poor) results than working it the hard way.

Dec 20, 2015 03:03 AM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH Real Estate - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

David, du-uh!  That's why you read so many Zulia rants on ActiveRain!

Dec 20, 2015 02:40 AM
Val Evans
Scottsdale, AZ

According to my research, your audience makes extenisive use of the ZTR platforms. I see many smart agents here on ActiveRain who take advantage and place themselves in front of their audience. Glancing at their production numbers, it appears they're doing very well by using the ZTR platforms for their advertising.

Dec 20, 2015 02:16 AM
Michael Thacker - Re/Max Real Estate Center - Louisville
Re/Max Real Estate Center - The Thacker Group - Louisville, KY
Your best friend who just happens to be a Realtor

But what about Realtor.com? They are owned by Newscorp and endorsed by NAR. Pretty sure that someone, NAR, the local Boards or both are getting money for allowing our listings to be on Realtor.com and the other sites that they own, which are many.

Dec 20, 2015 01:11 AM