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Anna Banana Kruchten CRS, CRB, Phoenix Broker
HomeSmart Real Estate BR030809000 - Phoenix, AZ
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First of all if an agent can't figure out that it's a 1900+ year old home....that's the first red flag.  Duh.... there's a big difference between home build in the 80's to back in the 1900's.  As a broker that's a huge potential lawsuit...

I'm still scratching my head with an agent not seeing it was a very old home.  I used to buy old homes like that and rehab them back in my 20's and 20's.  Geez......that is not rocket science.

Aug 07, 2020 02:00 PM
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
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The house date was established when the sticks went up....

Aug 07, 2020 02:00 PM
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Ken Jones, Commercial Real Estate
Kenneth J. Jones, Inc. - Toms River, NJ

Fred Griffin Tallahassee Real Estate The "Year Built" question deals strictly with the year in which the SUPERSTRUCTURE (a/k/a the building) was built, not the age of the foundation.

Here in the oldest section of the United States, there are thousands of homes that were built in the 1700s and 1800s. And, a large percentage of those were originally built on footings with a minimal foundation; something best described as medium to large field stones being placed on smaller and crushed stone in about a 1-foot deep trench with nothing but dirt under the building.

Subsequent owners have jacked up those buildings and built what we now consider a full basement, either with block walls or poured concrete and poured concrete floors.

So, the house is still the same house built in the 1700s or 1800s, but it's now over a modern basement.

The age of the building doesn't change because it's on a different basement or in a different location.

Hope this helps.

Aug 07, 2020 01:59 PM
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Doug Dawes
KW Evolution - Topsfield, MA - Georgetown, MA
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Hard to believe that there are no records that show the structure was built in 1900. They have to exist somewhere and really is the listing agents responsibility to provide that info

Aug 07, 2020 09:18 PM
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Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
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For us, we would use the county tax records and fully disclose.  We have actually represented two of these type of homes in the last few years.

Aug 07, 2020 04:03 PM
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Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
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the MLS should have shown "1900", with an asterisk... stating that it had been moved to this site in 1985... with a new foundation, HVAC, Plumbing, Electrical or whatever, at the time.

Aug 07, 2020 03:08 PM
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Kat Palmiotti
406-270-3667, kat@thehousekat.com, Broker, eXp Realty - Kalispell, MT
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I think the HOUSE is from the early 1900s and should be listed as such, with a note that explains the house was moved and all plumbing/electric etc are as of 1985.

Aug 07, 2020 02:50 PM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate Agent Retired

I would say the 1900 which is the date of the 'structure' which is what you are selling. Yes, foundation 1985 but that's it.

Agent has got a problem if she couldn't feel '1900' coming thru on the design, etc.

Aug 08, 2020 05:55 AM
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Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
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The year it was built, not year it was moved.

Aug 08, 2020 04:58 AM
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
& Host of Postcards From Success Podcast

I did this with my own house. Built in 1929. Moved in 1974 to a new lot and when I sold it, I sold it as a 1929 house. That was when it was built.

Does a mobile home build date change each time you move it?

Aug 07, 2020 04:16 PM
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Buzz Mackintosh
Mackintosh REALTORS - Frederick, MD
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The County / State tax card will most likely reflect the date of the UNO Permit.

Aug 07, 2020 03:53 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
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Fred,

I am assuming that there is a rule/law somewhere on the books.  I think that this should be disclosed in some fashion or other.  A

Aug 07, 2020 03:18 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
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The year it was built - not the year it was moved. 

Aug 08, 2020 05:18 PM
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John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
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In California, full disclosure is necessary. More than just the construction date...all details that are known and which would be MATERIAL to a potential buyer.

Aug 08, 2020 08:17 AM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Year built is year built. Updates should be noted. C'mon Man!

Aug 08, 2020 06:50 AM
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J.R. Schloemer, CRS
Kentucky Select Properties - Louisville, KY

Still built around 1900, not 1985. Our PVA has the year built, but I am not sure if they make any "updates" for structures that have been moved.

Aug 08, 2020 05:19 AM
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Diana Zaccaro Broker Associate
Tropical Beachside brokered by eXp - Cocoa Beach, FL
"The Accidental Blogger" Cocoa Beach, Florida

It sounds like they are confusing the year built with the effective age. Year built is obviously 1900 BUT since it was rewired, replumbed, etc. the effective age would be 1985.

Aug 08, 2020 01:10 AM
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Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
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1900. 

By the way, many here treasure those homes...moreso than ones from the 1980s (which were often lower quality and wo/ hardwood).  But, the cool ones in our area are from the 1700s and 1800s. The earliest we worked on was 1726.  Pine of course...an the widest plank and thickest planks I've ever seen.  A fireplace in every room, too.

Aug 07, 2020 07:14 PM
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Tony Lewis
Summit Real Estate Group - Valencia, CA
Summit Real Estate Santa Clarita & Aliso Viejo

I have sold a home from 1905 moved to Valley Village, California.  I listed the house as built in 1905.  It seems like the only true option to me.

Aug 08, 2020 01:46 PM
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Kimo Stowell
HI Pro Realty LLC RB-21531 - Honolulu, HI
REALTOR Associate® RS-76763 - Honolulu Hawai'i

Aloha Fred Griffin Tallahassee Real Estate , my aunt and uncle purchased a large 1830s, 3 story home, lowered it down a hillside on to a barge, floated it across a lake, and raised it up a hill. Listing: Restored 1830's period home with new location, foundation, and views. When your intent is to hide a material fact, how quickly the experts play dumb.

Aug 08, 2020 12:18 PM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
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The original date, if known. There should be a record somewhere.

Aug 10, 2020 09:32 AM
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Cindy Billman, CDPE, SFR
SIlver Keys Realty - Grapevine, TX
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State and county laws are different -they should have guidelines. I am in Tarrant County, Texas and if a house has been rewired, replumbed, new foundation & a complete rehab with 50% or more then the year it was done can be used as the "new" age of property but I have only seen this when the house was damaged by fire.  I would check with your city or county.

Aug 09, 2020 12:58 PM
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Eve Alexander
Buyers Broker of Florida - Orlando, FL
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If the house has been remodeled over 50% it could have a new "effective year built"...

Otherwise this house is still a 1900's house no matter where it is moved to.

Eve

Aug 09, 2020 07:15 AM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

The real age.

Aug 09, 2020 05:44 AM