5,522,133
Great question, Bill - probably 'b' until I've finally had it!
Right now, there is so much going on that I wouldn't even need to look for another place to spend my time.
I've also found that management may 'say' they care - if they care, they would do something to make those who 'work' for them, know they are appreciated.
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Atlanta, GA
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Schaumburg, IL
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East Stroudsburg, PA
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Hood River, OR
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San Jose, CA
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Bellingham, WA
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Kelowna, BC
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Liz and Bill Spear
Mason, OH
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,108,638
A lot of that will depend on the cause, if the work I was doing was truly helping those who deserved it.
You picked the right day to ask! I just threw back a new client I don't believe will place the same value on me that I place on me.
In fact, I don't want to be around ANYONE who doesn't value me!
Put me down for C.
Like the note!
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Encino, CA
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Atlanta, GA
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Schaumburg, IL
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Beverly Hills, CA
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East Stroudsburg, PA
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Wenatchee, WA
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Bellingham, WA
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Dallas, TX
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,272,629
Leave
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Atlanta, GA
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Endre Barath, Jr.
Beverly Hills, CA
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Charlotte, NC
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Charlotte, NC
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Topsfield, MA
4,774,842
There is a difference between a professional relationship and one of a voluntary nature. The answer likely includes aspects of personal enrichment, people I like/respect within the organization, the standards/goals I find beneficial and others.
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Encino, CA
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Kelowna, BC
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Hood River, OR
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San Jose, CA
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Wenatchee, WA
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Bellingham, WA
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Dallas, TX
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Charlotte, NC
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Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
806,852
Bill, this is an interesting question, especially in the context of Liz's volunteer work.
Early in my legal career, a mentor shared advice that struck me as counter-intuitive. She cautioned, pro bono clients would likely be among my least grateful clients. The observation proved to have occasional merit, as well as the lack of cooperation appearing correlated with non paying clients. Go figure.
From a sense of public service, I will still screen for appropriate pro bono cases, but sometimes I want to scream, "help me, help you!"
On the other hand, some of those cases became deeply satisfying on a personal level. It sounds like your wife might be experiencing some of that ambivalence.
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Inna Ivchenko
Encino, CA
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
5,364,612
Option c: I move on and have numerous times throughout my professional career going back to 1971. In really large organizations a heart-to-heart is useless in my experience. And even in a smaller one often useless... I had a couple of those with a small brokerage I was with and wasn't listened to. When I quit, suddenly faced with losing one of their top agents, they wanted to listen... too little, to late at that point.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Endre Barath, Jr.
Beverly Hills, CA
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
3,386,608
I would start with the heart to heart with management. Been there and when that failed, I switched to another office.
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
4,744,194
Bill I find talking will fix it short term.... hence it is time to move on answer C
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
2,548,446
I'd go with d. Liz and Bill Spear but I'd be looking for another place to hang my shingle.
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
1,632,538
Anyone that questions or takes for granted my value...
"Buh bye now!"
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Endre Barath, Jr.
Beverly Hills, CA
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La Jolla, CA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
2,603,203
What I have done in the past - I attempted to fix the issue with the organization first. When that did not work, I searched for another organization and left.
What I've learned is that if the organization acts as though they do not value you, they don't. And it's a reflection on them. So if this ever happens to me in the future, I'd probably just leave, without trying to make things better first. Life's too short.
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Endre Barath, Jr.
Beverly Hills, CA
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
8,210,983
Move on.
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Beverly Hills, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Topsfield, MA
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Minot, ND
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Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
832,652
I would go with B slowing moving to a C. No point staying with someone that doesn't value your time and service.
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Topsfield, MA
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Minot, ND
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Charlotte, NC
1,472,185
For me it is a B until I can manage a C. Been there, done that!
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Wenatchee, WA
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Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Topsfield, MA
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Minot, ND
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Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
469,625
For me it would be "e" Other.
First I would re-evaluate myself any my purpose for doing what I was doing. Secondly I would write down any and all, big or small, actions or inactions that I did or failed to do that were to some degree not in the groups best interest (ie blow off a meeting I "should" have gone to, not return a call, belittle another group memeber, not do something I said I would or otherwise indicated I would do, bad mouthed the group - either any of the projects or one or more members or the group or how it works or how it's structured - to another person either to "vent" or to actively gain support for my point of view/opinion which resulted in the person(s) I'm talking to thinking less of the group or something related to the group. And once that is all out there in front of me so I can see all the things big and/or small in significance, and say yes I did (or didn't do those) those actions. And take full responsibility for my actions or inactions, then I will probably feel better about the group as long as the group actually has a purpose of doing good and is at least to some degree in alignment with my own purposes.
Folks rarely quit/leave a good intentioned group because of anything that was done or not done "to" them. They will leave because of things they did/said "to" the group, or for failing to do/say things they should of done/said.
So once I cleaned this point up on myself chances are the feeling of "wanting to leave" or feeling under appreciated and the pulling in of all sorts of reasons that "motivate" or foster feelings of wanting to leaving will probably be gone. For example the feeling of not being appreciated. I doubt that feeling appreciated is the reason anyone joins any group - it is part of the "pay" for sure, but it's not "usually" the purpose for joining a group. The purpose usually lies in the area of "help" and to help others or to help improve a condition/situation. And chances are that "help" is still needed. And giving the help is the real pay - not recognition from one's team mates.
Now that I have myself cleaned up, I then would evaluate the group and it's purpose and decide based on the greatest good, if continuing with the group is the highest and best use of my time and energy or should I be doing something else that creates a bigger and more pro-survival impact on my life, my family and the community. If the clean up step isn't done thoroughly, the answer to the second part will almost always be I should be doing something else. If the clean up step is done fully, then most of the time the person's original purpose for joining the group/activity will be revitalized and they are happy to carry on. For those that have actually grown and now need a bigger game - they will move on to bigger more demanding activity.
Wow. Sometime I get carried away. Sorry about that but that is what I would do.
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Kelowna, BC
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East Stroudsburg, PA
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Hood River, OR
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Fort Mohave, AZ
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Wenatchee, WA
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Pasadena, CA
1,713,581
I would need to put this into context first, then have time for a non -judgmental decision.
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Charlotte, NC
6,744,221
D is generally the best route for you and those in charge.
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Hood River, OR
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Pasadena, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Minot, ND
2,256,906
C
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Beverly Hills, CA
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Pasadena, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
5,585,039
if it's a brokerage, jump ship....
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Beverly Hills, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
2,344,724
Sometimes "seems" is a perception because one is truly highly valued but being taken for granted. I would say D first then decide from there.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Mel Ahrens, MBA, Kelly...
Hood River, OR
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
5,535,006
Simple! Time to move on!
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Charlotte, NC
1,468,095
d. All of the above
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Bellingham, WA
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Topsfield, MA
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Minot, ND
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Charlotte, NC
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Pasadena, CA
3,441,615
e. Perhaps a combination of b and c. Life is way to short to accept less than what we know we want. I would not have a heart to heart. Been there. Done that. My experience is it does more harm than good.
I would create my happy place and move on. I did that when I went independent in January 2012.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
3,417,356
I would seek that hear t to heart talk and then move on if not satisfied. That is why i work for myself
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
877,736
B & C
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
536,943
b c d depending on the circumstances.
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Pasadena, CA
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Bellingham, WA
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Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
2,298,675
Sounds like you don't feel appreciated... or part of the team as the odd man or woman out. You would not lessen involvement and hang around and should communicate the issues to see if resolution can happen. But it may be time to venture out on your own and build your own organization. If close to retirement, you might just ride it through. Are you doing a good job and is your performance up to par? Is it a personality conflict? Just list more, market harder and sell sell sell and you won't get bogged down with "I am not appreciated". The need for that goes away.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
225,576
It’s so easy for people here to tell you to just quit and move on, but they are not the ones affected. While it’s hard to give you advice while not knowing the details, my answer to you is to analyze the situation, speak directly to the person about the issues you have, and solve the problem. If the problem can’t be corrected, it’s time to leave. But remember, the grass is always not greener on the other side
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
720,177
d. Did that to no avail. So I c. not too long ago.
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Endre Barath, Jr.
Beverly Hills, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
2,231,519
Leave and find a place that recognizes and value my services.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
5,160,354
216,960
Leave...you should never feel that you do not have value or contribution not appreciated. Life is too short! You want to leave before it adversely affects you.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,764,879
I'd probably do D and if that didn't create a better environment, I'd move on. I read a book about 20 years ago called the Baby Boomerang. I told my clergy friends that when my church became the church in the book, I was done. And, I was. I had invested 20 years as the pastor with incredible results, but when the church turned inward and became more self-interested than outreach interested I was gone. I've never regretted that decision.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
564,544
If I think it would be productive then 'd' - if not, then 'b' leading into 'c.'
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,873,558
Even with volunteer work you have to feel valued. Maybe in that situation the manager/in charge person really shouldn't be there? Not everyone can be a cheerleader. Not everyone knows that people have to hear they are appreciated. (is this a man we're talking about lol).
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
921,504
"....seems as though they no longer value your services..."
I am not sure what that means.
If I'm a volunteer and not feeling the love, I go and do something else for for someone else.
I the 'Good bye' option is not available, "D" is the best course of action.
I'd start, "Hey Boss Man, over the past 3 months I've made about 1,800,422 suggestions regarding how business can be grown, delivery improved and moral grown. I feel I am making a contribution but I'm not seeing any real appreciation or acknowledgment from management. Help me out here. Why are my suggesting being ignored or what has changed regarding the company vision?"
Of course, it can be easily seen I will not HEAR what the BossMan says until I become a listener, and that tends to change things a LOT.
The real answer to this question is the two parties have drifted apart and have lost track of each ones needs and vulnerabilities. Whether it a marriage of a business relationship, keeping track of the emotional changes is how the connect stays relevant.
This is when the skill of 'turning towards' becomes essential. This involves responding, IS there more? and listening with the heart.
An issue with this question that few understand is the lack of heart to understand if it is YOU, that perhaps this is an opportunity for improvement means you carry baggage, unfinished business into the next relationship/business and hear once more the rhyming of history.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
3,679,823
Bill you say - it 'seems' they no longer value your services. I'd first make sure I didn't make an emotional decision based on it 'seemed' like. And after consideration if in fact it was clear they no longer wanted my services it would be adios time. On to more enlightened paths.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
379,569
Consider this, is this happening, Liz and Bill, as a way of getting your attention that your valuable time and services could be utilized more fully and in a more fulfilling manner for you, in another place, another way - something you would not have been open to receiving had the current situation not arisen? Hmmm. can always ask that inner knowing - might be surprised by the result!!
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
684,139
Bliz ~ Interesting timing on this question regarding brokerage affiliation. I am with a family owner brokerage that is run by the children of the founder, who are in their 60's and I don't see anyone in the next generation with the accumen or desire to carry the flag into the future. One of these days I expect that we will have merged or been purchased, so I have a very short list of brokerages I could see myself with.
I will go with A for a period to see how the new company rolls, but with a backup plan C. I think that D is highly overrated except at possibly a very small company, so skip that
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
985,018
D, find out if your perception is valid before making a decision w/out the needed information. If you don't trust management, then you already have your answer, regardless of the meeting results.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,756,642
We opt for 'e' unless we feel there remains value to us.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
2,864,111
One should value themselves over all, share and be content in it. The mere being of self in its purity is the pay-off and the gift itself will direct your path
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
2,071,140
1,598,552
2,448,381
D and then c - I give the organization the benefit of the doubt- or the benefit of my opinion and then I move on if it is something that I care about.
6,041,450
When that happened at Safeway, that is when I went full-time in real estate.
21,695
Businesswise as well as personally, I have always favored (d) heart to heart first. However if a mutual agreement could not be reached, then I (b) lessened my involvement time before I got the hell out! Part of the beauty of real estate (for both consumers and realtors) is you can really pick and choose whom you prefer to work with/for.
680,111
1,655,212
D. is a good option to try first. I believe in communication and that would be my first step. Maybe I have to make changes? I'm willing to learn why it ''seems to me that they no longer value my services''.
otherwise:
C. We work with people, but some people make it about themselves and their personal goals and likes. I'd definitely look for a place where they value my contributions.
63,791
e. leave and start my own company and do thing the way I think is right.
5,258,490
4,273,331