Lynnea Miller, Premier Real Estate Service in Central Oregon (Bend Premier Real Estate)

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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate Agent Retired

well I would vote it down. I think there is no good reason other than they don't believe IC's pay their taxes.

Mar 05, 2019 10:36 AM
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Los Angeles Pasadena 818.516.4393

This seems to be a never-ending discussion.  

Mar 05, 2019 10:00 AM
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Doug Dawes
KW Evolution - Topsfield, MA - Georgetown, MA
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You know Lynnea Miller     

This topic resurfaces from time to time. It's always a scheme for the Legislatures to get deeper into Hip National Bank (our pockets)

Mar 05, 2019 11:18 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
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I haven't heard much here... but it will be a tough one to sell. Oregon just can't seem to stop... first the rent control laws, then the drivering license laws, now this...

Mar 05, 2019 10:15 AM
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
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No, but it doesn't surprise me that your state is.

Mar 05, 2019 10:05 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

I think they've been attempting this in MA for years.... not happening!!!

it would change our industry completely..... 

Mar 05, 2019 10:10 AM
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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Nope

Mar 05, 2019 09:59 AM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, EXP - Stevens Point, WI
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What kind of hippies do you have running that state?

Mar 05, 2019 05:40 PM
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTACONDOS.COM
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
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Have not heard Lynnea

Mar 05, 2019 12:33 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
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Yes. I live in a state of movements, that would be California, also known as, The Land of Oz! 

Mar 05, 2019 11:19 AM
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John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

Making agents employees would heavily impact the real estate brokerage business model and all those that work within it.

Mar 05, 2019 10:31 AM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
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OMG, Lynnea! What is going on in Oregon?

You know, I think you'll have a lot of independent agents who operate on their own, under their own business license. A FAR worse scenario for buyers & sellers. There's no one to hold a lot of the independents accountable that we have now. I can't imagine a state full of them! 

Mar 05, 2019 06:25 PM
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Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West - Carlsbad, CA
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Looks like the Oregon Socialist Republic is short on funds?

 

Mar 05, 2019 04:14 PM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

This has been going through the courts in CA for a while now.  Technically, we do not pass the federal tests.  The main test we fail is operating without oversight... which in CA a Broker is required by law to supervise their agents.

 

My thoughts on this are as follows:

  1. It will likely come to pass as the states and federal government want to make sure everyone is taxed.
  2. Brokerages will need to layoff the majority of their workforce, because most are not capable of producing enough business to justify the cost of carrying them (insurance, taxes, HR, admin, salary, benefits,...)
  3. Brokers will still be allowed to be independent contractors because we are the only ones (in CA) legally allowed to list and sell properties on our own.
  4. There will be an increase in people with Brokers licenses and independent companies.
  5. Teams and agents with buyers agents, etc. will get a rude wake-up call
  6. Eventually most (80-90%) of agents will be forced out of the business and the independent and agents that produce at least $60k/yr in commissions to the BROKER will be the only ones left.

This will also have an impact on new agents as they don't have a track record and who will want to take them on, unless in an apprenticeship role?

Mar 05, 2019 02:47 PM
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Susie Kay
Ultra Real Estate Dallas Fort Worth - Plano, TX
North Dallas Specialist

I have not but that will be a major change for any brokerage.  

Mar 05, 2019 02:16 PM
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

If the employer controls your coming and going, you are an employee

Mar 05, 2019 05:33 PM
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John Pusa
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Crest - Glendale, CA
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Lynnea Miller occasionally, I hear this kind of discussion.

Mar 05, 2019 05:13 PM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

Nope.

Mar 05, 2019 04:54 PM
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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
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have heard nothing.  Going to call my state representative soon.

Mar 05, 2019 12:59 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
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Lynnea,

Not surprised, there is always a tax reason involved.  More money equals more wasteful spending and so it goes...A

Mar 05, 2019 11:06 AM
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Debra Leisek
Bay Realty,Inc Homer Alaska - Homer, AK

the federal government recognizes independent contractors as valid

not sure how a state can change that just to get workmens comp insurance

 

Mar 05, 2019 11:58 PM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Nope.

Mar 05, 2019 06:39 PM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

If brokers actually did their job, this would be a non-issue.

Such a loss of IC status would create great disruption in the real estate brokerage business model.

Making them PAY would compel brokerages to look after their investment. One would be extremely limited in their thinking to believe the only compensation model available for brokers is hourly. 

But, this is what happens when we don't build that wall. The crazies leave California and take their craziness to Oregon.

Mar 05, 2019 02:26 PM
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Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

As in Oregon we walk in the shadows of California and when they do something we are right behind...

Mar 06, 2019 10:21 AM
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
Owner of Ward Co Notary Services retired RE Broker

I'm not hearing anything along those lines here in ND Lynnea Miller .

Mar 06, 2019 10:13 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Not as of yet.  I doubt it will ever happen in Florida.

Mar 06, 2019 07:48 AM
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Greg Cremia
Shore Realty of the Outer Banks - Nags Head, NC

NC now charges a sales tax on service labor. They tried to include us agents commission but that part failed, for now. Sellers would have had to pay a sales tax on our commission.

Mar 06, 2019 07:29 AM
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Yes here in NH too and for the same reasons. They masdate that an IC can not be given a schedule, work can not be mandatory outside the scope. This is what happens when voters vote without knowing who they are voting for. You get more regulation and more taxes. All that hurt the people that work the hardest 

Mar 06, 2019 05:25 AM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Too many people from California moving to Oregon and running for office!

Mar 06, 2019 04:53 AM
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
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I would vote against it for sure.

 

Mar 07, 2019 12:42 PM
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Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
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So we all will have 401K, and pension now?

Mar 06, 2019 09:38 PM