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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired - Franklin, MA
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that's not a foundation issue.... it could be the quality of the strips of wood... but I think it's the humidity causing swelling and if the bundles of strips are not left in the home for a few days to adjust to the humidity in the home, they will cup after the installation.... each strip is tapped into place with a rubber mallet and when they swell that's the photo....

May 04, 2018 01:25 PM
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Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
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Yes. Usually a sign of moisture issues. Not typically a problem in Central Oregon unless there has been a plumbing leak

May 04, 2018 12:48 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
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Definitely a moisture problem. Just moved out of a condomnium that had a flood. The floors are seriously cupped and will be replaced.

May 04, 2018 01:39 PM
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Sheri Sperry - MCNE®
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Sometimes flooring isn't cured. I wonder if that could have been an issue?

May 04, 2018 01:32 PM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
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    Cupping usually gets blamed on moisture coming through either off-grade subfloor, or moisture coming through an unsealed slab. 

    This is the first Inspection letter I've seen where it is blamed on poor installation!

May 04, 2018 01:14 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
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Fred,

I agree with Lynnea Miller .  We recently saw this in a home in SB and there had been a leakage.  The owners were in the process of replacing the floor.  A

May 04, 2018 12:55 PM
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May 04, 2018 01:52 PM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate Agent Retired

It could be a little bit of both but I would suspect the floor first before going nuts. Install is the #1 problem or thing that I would investigate first.

He's saying the floor is installed upside down. With pre-finished flooring how can that be?

May 04, 2018 01:45 PM
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Michael Jacobs
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I have seen this but I think Debbie Gartner,  as Alexandra noted,  may offer some additional insight. 

May 04, 2018 01:15 PM
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
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I've never heard this issue blamed on the foundation. Barbara Todaro to the rescue!

May 04, 2018 03:52 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
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I do see that from time to time.  Poor installation would be my guess. 

May 04, 2018 03:43 PM
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Sybil Campbell
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I've only seen this where there were serious moisture issues.

May 04, 2018 03:01 PM
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
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Could be moisture issues, acclimating issue, too tight, no "float" etc.

May 04, 2018 02:43 PM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

Better call your favorite flooring guy.

May 04, 2018 02:30 PM
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Alan May
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In my experience cupping is typically due to changes in humidity.

May 04, 2018 02:19 PM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
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I've seen it and it's always attributed to moisture under the flooring.

May 04, 2018 01:54 PM
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Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
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I've seen this problem before ... and it was usually due to moisture.

May 04, 2018 04:10 PM
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Eve Alexander
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I have never seen a "cupped" floor that did not look like cheap quality laminate to begin with...

Eve

May 04, 2018 04:00 PM
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Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
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Yes I have seen it with water damaged hardwood. Not foundation related. Also not installation related as I understand. -K

May 04, 2018 03:54 PM
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
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It is the wood, not foundation. Humidity will do this as well as wet mopping frequently which some actually do

May 04, 2018 04:50 PM
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
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Interesting Fred Griffin . I can not say with certainty that I have seen this before.

May 04, 2018 04:44 PM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
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Two things typically cause that issue here, Fred:

1. The wood needs to sit inside, climate-controlled space to acclimate to the temperatures for, I believe, at least 4 days. Some builders are pushing their deadlines and skip this step. 

2. The majority of issues here are in older homes with moist crawl spaces or basements. When the moisture issues are resolved, in a few weeks, the cupping goes away. 

May 04, 2018 03:38 PM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
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Sounds like an installation issue; wood swells, installers need to allow for that.

May 04, 2018 05:22 PM
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Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
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I had a leak from the water line in the refrigerator, and caused the cupping.  It took 6 months, but the wood finally dried out (we are dry here in CO), and eventually went away.

May 08, 2018 09:13 AM
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Evelyn M Epperson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Johns Creek, GA
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Cupping happens here in Georgia either due to moisture in the slab or the slab was not prepped properly prior to installation of the flooring.  

May 07, 2018 06:25 PM
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Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
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Yes, I see often...too often.

 

Looks like a moisture/water/humidity issue.  the question is the source.

 

Is it solid or engineered? (kind of looks like engineered)  How installed?  What's below it?  How was it installed?  Nailed or glued?  (doesn't look like floating)

 

It could be due to many things.  It could in fact be from foundation, if foundation wasn't sealed, or due to hydrostatic pressure - if ground is very saturated with water.

 

could be due to not acclimating long enough and/or not a proper temp and that humidity readings weren't done before installing.

 

Could be due to water leak somewhere.

 

could be due to humidity levels in room/home are too high

 

I have seen all of these issues and more.

 

I don't understand inspector's note.  that makes no sense to me.  But then again, what do I know, LOL.

May 06, 2018 11:53 AM
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Sam Shueh
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Glued underneath. Need floating type....

Buckling -membrance bends and give way under pressure or strain.

 

 
May 05, 2018 06:02 PM
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PeterMark SEO
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You have to have the wood acclimate for at least a week or 2. Also the home has to be ventilated well. Bamboo/pergo is the best for Florida but Tile is the safest. 

May 05, 2018 11:20 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
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That I've not seen.  Of course we always let it sit for a week or so in the house to get used to the weather in the house and install it with a small gap under the baseboards to allow for expansion.

May 05, 2018 09:04 AM
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Gita Bantwal
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No.

May 05, 2018 06:38 AM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
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Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Moisture issue!

May 05, 2018 06:17 AM
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Gabe Sanders
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This is news to me.

May 05, 2018 05:45 AM
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Praful Thakkar
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Fred Griffin - the best in new construction, Barbara Todaro nailed it. 

May 04, 2018 11:41 PM
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Margaret Rome Baltimore 410-530-2400
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I have seen this in a rec room on ground level...but

this is a question for Debbie Gartner The Flooring Girl!

May 04, 2018 09:52 PM
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Rose Mary Justice
Synergy Realty Pros - Dandridge, TN
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I agree with the inspector if it were our neck of the woods.  Poor installation causes this as flooring has to have room to move.  It has to acclimate as well for at least 24 hours.  

Could be from Moisture but not always.

Seen it before.

May 04, 2018 09:32 PM
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Tammy Lankford,
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Bad/untimely installation can do it.  I've seen it.  When hardwoods are delievered they should be unwrapped and sit in the space for a time before installation.  When people skip that wait period and install immediately this can be the exact outcome.

May 04, 2018 09:30 PM
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Bob Crane
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I have seen it before, after a plumbing leak, once the floor dried it went back to normal.

May 04, 2018 09:10 PM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
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Excessive humidity inside the home can cause cupping. I have seen it happen and my HVAC man verified it.

May 04, 2018 08:37 PM
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Richard L. McKinney P.A.
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I see it quite often down here and hear the same reasons that your inspector said. Bad installation and humidity. 

May 04, 2018 07:01 PM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
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We have wood floors on the second floor of our condo close to the ocean in Florida. No issues.

May 04, 2018 06:50 PM