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John DL Arendsen, Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer (CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments)

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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
CEO of Vision Drive Realty - Coastal San Diego

I've called brokers. When the listing agent is the broker I've sent personal notes to sellers stating: "No return calls, text nor emails??? Since your agent doesn't seem to want to sell your home, I thought I'd ask you if you want our offer?"

80% have no business in our business.

Oct 11, 2016 12:10 PM
Rainmaker
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Peter Mohylsky, Beach Expert
PMI. Destin - Miramar Beach, FL
Call me at 850-517-7098

Problems with the Industry never go away.  You can rant and rave but the golden rule definitely applies here.

Oct 11, 2016 01:30 PM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

     Document your efforts to reach the LA.  Then, go to the Broker.   If Broker does not respond, go directly to the Seller. 

    *If you are a Buyer's Broker, your fiduciary to your principal (the Buyer) probably overrides any NAR COE.  See an attorney for legal advice.

Oct 11, 2016 12:22 PM
Rainmaker
3,071,489
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Fred Griffin nailed this one!

Oct 11, 2016 11:15 PM
Rainmaker
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

In my market you would not be allowed to contact the owner directly. If the agent won't call you back, contact the broker. If the agent is the broker, then I would send a certified letter to both the broker and the owner stating you have been trying to contact the agent for months and have interest in the property and see what happens then.

Oct 11, 2016 12:18 PM
Rainmaker
1,153,794
Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

The tactic is often used when owners attempt to obtain funding and use the property as collateral. To the outside world it is officially being marketed to satisfy lender requirements although to its principals it is not. Additional scenarios can include it being the associate's personal home for advertising purposes yet without a true intent to sell it.

Oct 11, 2016 12:16 PM
Rainmaker
3,986,258
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Lazy?

I love these agents because  most people will NOT wait for a return call

Oct 11, 2016 11:59 AM
Rainmaker
7,835,407
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

A mystery yet to be solved.

Oct 13, 2016 04:11 AM
Rainmaker
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

A question for the ages....

Oct 12, 2016 06:27 PM
Rainmaker
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

Some agents are just not professional.  I'd try the broker for the office and if all else fails, knock on the owner's door.

Oct 12, 2016 12:17 PM
Rainmaker
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

must be for visibility of the name for the thought of getting another listing or buyer call.... 

Oct 12, 2016 04:59 AM
Rainmaker
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

Sorry, but I always return phone calls.

 

Oct 12, 2016 02:34 AM
Rainmaker
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

John DL Arendsen If it is no longer in the MLS it probably isn't listed any longer. The owner more than likely letting the agent keep their sign on the property. As far as not returning phone calls your guess is as good as mine. Call the agent's broker to get the facts. Since the property may no longer be listed as least in the MLS, give the owner a call after speaking with the broker.

Oct 11, 2016 11:42 PM
Rainmaker
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Contacting the broker would be best not the seller. Possibly the broker doens't know the actions of the agent & he can give you the info that you need.

That sign can't be up with some sort of signed agreement - there's something the broker has to look into.

Oct 11, 2016 11:34 PM
Rainmaker
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Having that issue now with several agents & principals. The wild card  as well as the connection is human nature. Stay frosty & focused...it will come

Oct 11, 2016 11:26 PM
Rainmaker
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Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

That will never make any sense to me.

Oct 11, 2016 11:23 PM
Rainmaker
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Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

We see this a great deal in San Diego and It is my feeling that they do this to try to sell the homes themselves through passive non-cooperation. Too  bad; very unprofessional.

Oct 11, 2016 10:57 PM
Rainmaker
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

IT is not in the MLS. (A clue)

Is the agent a member of the board?
IF yes you have recourse.
If no, they have elected to participate in the new economy, not the NAR economy. You will need to get used to it.

Why do they do this?
The may see times are changing or they and the seller have an agreement of which you are unaware but may assume to know, or the property is not yet ready for prime time (coming soon) or this is a list building strategy, or creating scarcity for an event previously agreed to by agent and owner.

Lots of reasons.

Sure, you can go to the broker.

But YOU can not contact the owner directly. The club rules suggest you will get your knuckles smacked if you do.  John Q public can.

Oct 11, 2016 10:49 PM
Rainer
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Jessie Cochran
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
Panama City Realty Group

Good question and an endless one as well

Oct 11, 2016 10:09 PM
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Mackay
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
Your Bay County Florida Realtor 850.774.6582

It is frustrating, call the broker if you're not getting satisfaction

Oct 11, 2016 09:56 PM
Rainmaker
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Katina Hargrove 352-551-0308
Stake Your Land Realty, Inc. - Eustis, FL
Broker/Owner, SFR®, e-PRO®, GRI, AHWD, REALTOR®

John,

You mentioned that the property is not in the MLS and it has been months since no response. I would send a letter directly to the owner or leave a message on the door. Do try calling the broker first.

Oct 11, 2016 09:52 PM
Rainer
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Katherine (Katie) Gillespie & Diane Ryan
Nevada Prime Real Estate - Fernley, NV
Real Estate Team 775-636-0964

I would call the broker. This is not good practice.

Oct 11, 2016 04:43 PM
Rainmaker
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

John DL Arendsen - you tell me! 

I may have similar question coming up!

Oct 11, 2016 03:55 PM
Rainmaker
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

John,

I don't think there is an answer.  This is one of the mysteries of the universe!

Oct 11, 2016 02:25 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Probably a millenial and they are waiting for you to text them or fb them.

After this much time a call to the broker and the owner seems far overdue.

Oct 11, 2016 02:22 PM
Rainer
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Sharon Altier
Coldwell Banker Realty - Elmhurst, IL
Luxury Property Specialist, CSC, SFR

It is well within your right to contact the managing broker and voice an interest in the property.  

Oct 11, 2016 01:45 PM
Rainmaker
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FN LN
Toronto, ON

Whether you can contact the owner directly depends upon the laws, regulations, codes, etc. that you are required to follow.

I don't comment on the business practices of other agents as I am not familiar with their situation.

Oct 11, 2016 01:27 PM
Rainer
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Susie Kay
Ultra Real Estate Dallas Fort Worth - Plano, TX
North Dallas Specialist

I would call her office and ask for her broker.

Oct 11, 2016 11:31 AM
Rainmaker
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Never and always I avoid.

Oct 12, 2016 03:43 AM
Rainmaker
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

"Professionals" don't do this type of activity.   

While it's not common, it is definitely frustrating and others have suggested possible solutions.   Good luck.  

Oct 11, 2016 11:59 PM
Rainmaker
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTAcondos.com
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

Yes, that practice is called Rude and Inconsiderate. 

Oct 11, 2016 11:38 PM
Rainmaker
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

I would be in touch with the broker.

Oct 11, 2016 11:22 PM
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John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

I've received a lot of really great answers on this question starting with Thomas J. Nelson, Realtor at 5:30 this morning. Lot's of great advice from many AR members. Come to find out this person is the broker.  Now I've learned that she's not even a member of NAR. 

But I did find out that the owner is operating a VRBO which is exactly the reason I want to buy it. It sits right behind one that I currently own and run as a VRBO as well. So I thought it a natural for many obvious reasons. 

Also found out it's booked through the end of the Holidays. I guess given that I wouldn't really want to sell either. The owner is probably just letting the broker keep her sign up until she runs out of renters which will probably never happen as Oceanside, along with most of San Diego Coastal communities, is a HOT year around vacation destination.

Many of these cities have tightly controlled vacation rental policies, however, Oceanside is very open and in favor of vacation rentals as it's a very good revenue producer for them.

Oct 11, 2016 11:02 PM
Rainmaker
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

In one word "lazy".

Oct 11, 2016 10:28 PM
Rainmaker
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Call the broker.

Oct 11, 2016 09:31 PM