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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Evelyn Johnston if businesses pull out, it does not help the job situation in Indiana, and people with jobs buy real estate, and yes I believe it is a step backward,

Mar 29, 2015 03:18 PM
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Noah Seidenberg
Coldwell Banker - Evanston, IL
Chicagoland and Suburbs (800) 858-7917

Are we going backwards? How primitive?

Mar 29, 2015 07:47 AM
Rainmaker
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Christina Botteri 

I am not a legal expert, but I do believe that the NBA which represents a lot of diversity from many countries and many religions have a strong legal team that must have dissected every word of this law.  As I write this the Governor of Indiana is waffling by trying to explain himself. So I am leaning towards  the opinions of this team of legal wizards.  I maybe wrong, and this also based on a gut feeling.  

I appreciated you thoughtful and in depth answer and the links to the articles.  That is the beauty of this social platform.  We are all entitled to our views and the exchange of them, makes us wiser and smarter.

Mar 29, 2015 03:24 PM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Yes, I think it does.  Very stupid in my opinion and will most likely cost the hard working people and businesses in Indiana a lot of money in lost business as some large corporations will probably leave.

Mar 29, 2015 06:29 AM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

It is a disgusting and bigoted law and I hope boycotts are successful.

Mar 30, 2015 08:42 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Carla Muss-Jacobs, Principal Broker/Owner you made an excellent point here, thank you for your comment. A

Mar 30, 2015 05:47 AM
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Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

I thought there was a separation of church and state?  If someone is a business, they are licensed by the state.  Then their church beliefs should be separate, no?!?

Mar 30, 2015 05:41 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Eric Kodner thanks for making that clarification.  I rely on the research and opinions of those who is in my opinion have done their homework and are not being paid to express an opinion that is favorable for the one who is paying.  I was delighted to read Tim Cook's opinion piece published in the Washington Post.  He feeels that theyse law are "discriminatory, and seek to legitimize injustice under the veil of religious liberty."

Thanks for the clarification on the Clinton Law also, it is a lot different.  A

Mar 30, 2015 04:56 AM
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Jeanne Gregory
RE/MAX Southwest - Sugar Land, TX
The most important home I sell is YOURS!

Huge. Step. Backwards.  Religion is not static.  One denomination may believe totally different than another.  Some don't dance, some don't drink.  Some smoke weed (yep, it's a religion).  I think it's a veil to discriminate. 

Mar 30, 2015 04:18 AM
Rainmaker
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Michael Jacobs yes these are very interesting times, I am very happy that Tim Cook spoke about this, assuring everyone is welcome to great service at Apple, and that Angie's list is putting its expansion into Indiana on hold.  So much destruction has happened under the banner of religion, led by all religions without exception.  That was in ancient times so we thought...A

Mar 30, 2015 04:10 AM
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Alexandra and Ron --- I'll just say -- these are interesting times...very interesting...

Mar 30, 2015 03:15 AM
Rainmaker
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Russ Ravary ~ Metro Detroit Realtor call (248) 310-6239 I hope so.  A

Mar 29, 2015 03:24 PM
Rainmaker
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Eric Kodner I was offered a scholarship at Indiana for my Masters, so glad I declined and went to USC instead. I did not even visit the school, and it was supposedly the #1 in my field, and opted for #3 USC, and I really wanted to be in California.  A 

Mar 29, 2015 03:16 PM
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Eric Kodner
Madeline Island Realty - La Pointe, WI
CRS, Madeline Island Realty, LaPointe, WI 54850 -

I attended Indiana University in the 1970s and I remember a Ku Klux Klan rally which took place not far from the IU campus in Bloomington.  There was also a lynching of a black student not far from Martinsville the year before I attended IU.

This piece of "legislation" is thinly-disguised bigotry. 

Mar 29, 2015 02:00 PM
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Christina Botteri
REeBroker - Roseville, CA

The twenty states with Religious Freedom laws on the books are:  Alabama, Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia (read the specifics at the Nat'l State Leg. Conf)

... Not to mention the Religious Restoration Act Bill Clinton signed into law in the 1993. (Interesting to note this is before the rise of the Republicans to re-take the House after 40yrs)

I would encourage people who care about his issue to resist the urge to wallow in the top-line rhetoric, and instead take a moment to ask how it is the people of Indiana believe they needed to join the Feds and 19 other states the pass a Religious Freedom law.

Daniel Conkle wrote this thoughtful analysis of the law for the Indy Star.  The first paragraph reads:

I am a supporter of gay rights, including same-sex marriage. But as an informed legal scholar, I also support the proposed Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). How can this be?

Continue here:  http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/readers/2015/03/07/indiana-needs-religious-freedom-legislation/24477303/ 

After reading the full text and rationale for it, I support the Indiana legislature's decision to pass their own Religious Freedom law.

Mar 29, 2015 07:47 AM
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Eric Kodner
Madeline Island Realty - La Pointe, WI
CRS, Madeline Island Realty, LaPointe, WI 54850 -

It appears one of the individuals responding to your question has chosen to try to mislead readers.

Every other state's "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" applies to disputes between a person or entity and government. Indiana's new law is the only  state law of its kind that explicitly applies to disputes between private citizens, meaning that it can be used as a weapon by corporations and small businesses to justify discrimination against people who might otherwise be protected by law.

The Indiana law differs substantially from the federal law passed by President Clinton in 1993. This is another instance of a commenter attempting to mislead those who read your question.

It's a shame that supporters of the new Indiana law can't just tell the truth about the intent of the Indiana law and its impact on society.  The law could also embolden people in Indiana to discriminate in housing.  NAR needs to take an unequivocal stance against Indiana's actions. 

Mar 30, 2015 04:35 AM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

A step backwards of course.

But for whom?

Mar 29, 2015 10:21 PM
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Russ Ravary ~ Metro Detroit Realtor call (248) 310-6239
Real Estate One - Commerce, MI
Michigan homes for sale ~ yesmyrealtor@gmail.com

I think they are making a stand like Arizona did against MLK's holiday.  They will change once it effects business.

Mar 29, 2015 09:10 AM
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Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

I am in Indiana and I think it gives business owners the ability to refuse to deal with people based on their preferences.  Not Real Estate Agents, just small business owners.  I think it is a step backwards.

Mar 29, 2015 09:06 AM